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Christianity Today Mag- 32% of JW's leave

by jst2laws in

jehovah's witnesses are identified as the most "mobile" religious group in the us.

this is based on the percentage of members who convert to, as well as the percentage that leave.

jw's have the highest percentage in both catagories.. http://www.christianitytoday.com/le/2003/003/19.7.html.

The Worst Thing You Ever Did As A Jehovah's Witness

by minimus in

jw
friends

what's the worst thing you did as a jw?.......for me, it was to help other persons come to love the "organization".

Shunned my old boss when we ran into each other on the street after he got DF'd. Was a really nice man, and a great boss and teacher to me, and the shame of having ignored him stuck with me until the day I left. Clark, I hope you're on this board, man.

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Christianity Today Mag- 32% of JW's leave

by jst2laws in

jehovah's witnesses are identified as the most "mobile" religious group in the us.

this is based on the percentage of members who convert to, as well as the percentage that leave.

jw's have the highest percentage in both catagories.. http://www.christianitytoday.com/le/2003/003/19.7.html.

Phantom Stranger

It's not fair to call them suckers... they're being mind controlled.

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Hilarious 10-Commandments criticism from Slate

by Phantom Stranger in

jw
friends

(i have added italics where i felt like it :)

moore's law .

the immorality of the ten commandments.

Phantom Stranger

Well, I thought it was funny...

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Idiosyncrasies Of Jehovah's Witnesses

by minimus in

jw
friends

jw's are a peculiar bunch.

certain things are characteristic of the witnesses.

jw's are known for some weird, unconventional things.

Phantom Stranger

Yah, I didn't get "the Constitution state" either. I think I would have fired the guy too...

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Idiosyncrasies Of Jehovah's Witnesses

by minimus in

jw
friends

jw's are a peculiar bunch.

certain things are characteristic of the witnesses.

jw's are known for some weird, unconventional things.

Phantom Stranger

Just read the story... the guy who did it has since left the Witnesses :)

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Hilarious 10-Commandments criticism from Slate

by Phantom Stranger in

jw
friends

(i have added italics where i felt like it :)

moore's law .

the immorality of the ten commandments.

Phantom Stranger

(I have added italics where I felt like it :)

Moore's Law The immorality of the Ten Commandments. By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 2:04 PM PT

The row over the boulder-sized version of the so-called "Ten Commandments," and as to whether they should be exhibited in such massive shape on public property, misses the opportunity to consider these top-10 divine ordinances and their relationship to original intent. Judge Roy Moore is clearly, as well as a fool and a publicity-hound, a man who identifies the Mount Sinai orders to Moses with a certain interpretation of Protestantism. But we may ask ourselves why any sect, however primitive, would want to base itself on such vague pre-Christian desert morality (assuming Moses to be pre-Christian).

The first four of the commandments have little to do with either law or morality, and the first three suggest a terrific insecurity on the part of the person supposedly issuing them. I am the lord thy god and thou shalt have no other ... no graven images ... no taking of my name in vain: surely these could have been compressed into a more general injunction to show respect. The ensuing order to set aside a holy day is scarcely a moral or ethical one, unless you assume that other days are somehow profane. (The Rev. Ian Paisley, I remember, used to refuse interviewers for Sunday newspapers even after it was pointed out to him that it's the Monday edition that is prepared on Sunday.) Whereas a day of rest, as prefigured in the opening passages of Genesis, is no more than organized labor might have demanded, perhaps during the arduous days of unpaid pyramid erection.

So the first four commandments have almost nothing to do with moral conduct and cannot in any case be enforced by law unless the state forbids certain sorts of art all week, including religious and iconographic art—and all activity on the Sabbath (which the words of the fourth commandment do not actually require). The next instruction is to honor one's parents: a harmless enough idea, but again unenforceable in law and inapplicable to the many orphans that nature or god sees fit to create. That there should be no itemized utterance enjoining the protection of children seems odd, given that the commandments are addressed in the first instance to adults. But then, the same god frequently urged his followers to exterminate various forgotten enemy tribes down to the last infant, sparing only the virgins, so this may be a case where hand-tying or absolute prohibitions were best avoided.

There has never yet been any society, Confucian or Buddhist or Islamic, where the legal codes did not frown upon murder and theft. These offenses were certainly crimes in the Pharaonic Egypt from which the children of Israel had, if the story is to be believed, just escaped. So the middle-ranking commandments, of which the chief one has long been confusingly rendered "thou shalt not kill," leave us none the wiser as to whether the almighty considers warfare to be murder, or taxation and confiscation to be theft. Tautology hovers over the whole enterprise.

In much the same way, few if any courts in any recorded society have approved the idea of perjury, so the idea that witnesses should tell the truth can scarcely have required a divine spark in order to take root. To how many of its original audience, I mean to say, can this have come with the force of revelation? Then it's a swift wrap-up with a condemnation of adultery (from which humans actually can refrain) and a prohibition upon covetousness (from which they cannot). To insist that people not annex their neighbor's cattle or wife "or anything that is his" might be reasonable, even if it does place the wife in the same category as the cattle, and presumably to that extent diminishes the offense of adultery. But to demand "don't even think about it" is absurd and totalitarian, and furthermore inhibiting to the Protestant spirit of entrepreneurship and competition.

One is presuming (is one not?) that this is the same god who actually created the audience he was addressing. This leaves us with the insoluble mystery of why he would have molded ("in his own image," yet) a covetous, murderous, disrespectful, lying, and adulterous species. Create them sick, and then command them to be well? What a mad despot this is, and how fortunate we are that he exists only in the minds of his worshippers.

It's obviously too much to expect that a Bronze Age demagogue should have remembered to condemn drug abuse, drunken driving, or offenses against gender equality, or to demand prayer in the schools. Still, to have left rape and child abuse and genocide and slavery out of the account is to have been negligent to some degree, even by the lax standards of the time. I wonder what would happen if secularists were now to insist that the verses of the Bible that actually recommend enslavement, mutilation, stoning, and mass murder of civilians be incised on the walls of, say, public libraries? There are many more than 10 commandments in the Old Testament, and I live for the day when Americans are obliged to observe all of them, including the ox-goring and witch-burning ones. (Who is Judge Moore to pick and choose?) Too many editorialists have described the recent flap as a silly confrontation with exhibitionist fundamentalism, when the true problem is our failure to recognize that religion is not just incongruent with morality but in essential ways incompatible with it.

Christopher Hitchens is a columnist for Vanity Fair and author of The Long Short War: The Postponed Liberation of Iraq.

Article URL: http://slate.msn.com/id/2087621/

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Idiosyncrasies Of Jehovah's Witnesses

by minimus in

jw
friends

jw's are a peculiar bunch.

certain things are characteristic of the witnesses.

jw's are known for some weird, unconventional things.

Phantom Stranger

New Hampshire.

http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=15440

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Transcript: Beware of the Voice of Strangers

by Scully in

many thanks go to the following who made this possible:.

nosferatu for originally acquiring the recording and uploading it for everyone to hear.. hamas for hosting it so that even more people could listen to it;.

and finally to euphemism and odrade for their help in transcribing the entire talk with me.. without further ado, here is the transcript for the talk beware of the voice of strangers:.

Phantom Stranger

The Truth™ ?

LMFAO

Good Work all.

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What does the Trinity doctrine teach?

by hooberus in

the athanasian creed

we worship one god [note: the trinity is monotheistic teaching only one god] in trinity, and trinity in unity, neither confounding the persons[note: the trinity does not teach that the father and the son are the same person or that jesus prayed to himself] nor dividing the substance [note:though they are different persons they are the same god.].

for the person of the father is one; of the son, another; of the holy spirit, another.

Phantom Stranger

I think the family comment was an analogy, which is what's required to attempt to explain the Trinity doctrine.

Since we don't have any naturally-occuring triune life forms in our field of reference (conjoined triplets?) we have to construct some sort of model to attempt to comprehend it. The map is not the territory.

As with all matters of faith, they require...well, faith - otherwise they would be called something else.

I have heard a lot of explanations intended to "simplify" the Trinity. For me, it's still like the electoral college and the designated hitter - made sense to someone, but it wasn't me.